All I know about Pitchford

[David Pitchford]

...is hidden on a secret page on pitchford.com here:
http://www.pitchford.com/pitchford/

It clearly needs updating. Who can add to it..?

[Eric Johnson]

Hi Lindsey,

There are the places I've been looking...

1) At the beginning of the year I hired a genealogist in the UK to help give me an idea of what's out there on the ancient Pychefords. There are original documents but they are in Latin. He knows Latin, but the problem is his price...a little on the high side. I will have to pace the monies out as genealogy not a priority, being the economic situation and all. He mentioned there may be good information in the chancery rolls, patent rolls, feet of fines, and inquisitions. I haven't moved on the next step as I'm trying to do some independent study first.
2) British History On-Line at: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/Default.aspx. This requires a subscription and it's mainly an abbreviated version of what I (believe) I was looking for from the researcher. It's interesting though, but limited on Pitchford information.
3) I did get in contact with Dr. Brendan Smith at the University of Bristol, who wrote "The De Pitchford Family in Thirteenth-Century Ireland," in Studia Hybernica, No.27, 1993. He gave me a copy of his work and also gave me permission to distribute copies to who ever was interested.
4) I was able to obtain copies of Eyton's "Antiquities of Shropshire" series as they pertain to the Pitchfords from the National Library of Wales. They are out of Vol's 1, 2, 6, and 9, and deal with the early manors, land holdings, churches, etc. I signed a form that prohibits distributing copies to the public without their permission. I'm attempting to get permission now. By the way, I am familiar with the requirements for quoting portins of published material and will continue to do so here.
5) http://books.google.com/books. I've located about two-dozen items through the search engine on this site. Just plug in the "Journal" article I quoted above and you will go to that article. Please note if the hyperlink does not have a graphic of the title page off to the left before you go to that book, you will not see any pages. There will be some sort of notation saying you have to order the book from your local library.

The google.com/books has been an interesting journey. The one thing I notice immediately about the articles on the Pitchfords was they were published for the most part between 1850 and 1910. After looking at these articles I noticed was the basic information from article to article was soooo overlapped it seemed the authors were gathering from the same small pool of original material, such as Eyton's, for example. I wished there would be more primary evidence. However, I believe you will find the "...Altar Tomb at Albrighton, County Salop," article very interesting! (Notice that I spelled Albrighton wrong in my previous plug...and also Erneburga, wife of Engelard de Stretton).

Have fun searching around!

Eric

[Lindsey Hagen]

Thank you Eric,
I happened to spend most of the day reading at g books, the only site I could remember. It seems that they have added some things since I was there, but it may be that It has been so long, I don't remember. lol I did note some of the items that are at certain libraries and will check with our small local library to seen if they can get them for me. I do have many sites I cannot remenber. One, in which you pay for the information you want only.
I usually put in 10.00 and it lasts me forever. These are records they have in their data base.
There is also Questia, an online library that you have to subscribe to, but I found more information on the Dentons and a very little on the Pitchfords. Thank you for your help. I love to read history. There are several British History sites that are free along with one site (can't remember the name right now. Seems it is a college?) Some is free some not, it has video clips. you can download to I tunes or an Ipod and a reading library. If I flash on the name I will send it along.
"Antiquities of Shropshire" is on gbooks for download, do not know what vol.? I did find "Studia
Hybernica" of which 3 or 4 journals may be of interest. They are at local (fairly) libraries, checking to see if my library can get them..
I was surprised with the amount of information given about the Pitchfords in Ireland and the part they played there. My old family history. mentions five brothers, who were tailors ( maybe tied to the second English Pitchford line of Lee Brockhurst, (I believe they were connected with the first) and they came from Ireland at some point. However, I don't know how Elizabeth and Joseph became refugee's from France (even tho the old connection).
Going to read for a while. Have a good day.
Thank You,
Lindsey

[Eric Johnson]

Hello, again.

Looking through the Library of Wales descriptions of the medieval deeds I came across references to Nicholas Pichford and his wife Joan. Nicholas is the son of Ralph (who died in 1303), or at least that's what the pedigree chart from the "Topographer and Genealogist," 1853 indicates. There are many references to Nicholas and his wife, but more interestingly are the references to their children! This is new for me. From what I can surmise their children were: John, Nicholas, William, Robert and Edmond. Much information addresses land transfers to and from Edmond, so I suspect he is the eldest son. Edmond married Alice, daughter of (I believe) John Rondulph. Unfortunately, Edmond was murdered ca 1354/55 and there is no reference to a will or children of Edmond and Alice. There is, however, a reference to William, Edmond's brother, where a (contemporary) copy of William's will lists his wife and children. I've ordered a copy of this document and look forward to see who his children were. ...will keep you all posted.

Best regards,

Eric

[Lindsey Hagen]

Interesting stuff Eric, can't wait to see what you find. Nicholas is a new name and one I have not heard before. Do you know when naming patterns started or how closely they were followed? (Ex. first son named after fathers father, then wife's father and same with daughters, from what I can remember)
Lindsey

[Eric Johnson]

Hello all.

It's been a while. I received photocopies of about a dozen documents from the Ottley estate papers that were donated to the Library of Wales. Guess what? They are all in latin! OK, that was a "no brainer." What I found out was the deeds are not translated into English. What was frustrating was finding out the Library does not provide any translation services.

I do, however, know of a contact in England who does provide Latin translation services. I will contact him and see what his fee is. So, stay tuned. This will take a little longer than I expected.

Best regards,

Eric

[Marie Fellows(Pitchford)]

Hi Eric

Gosh you have been busy!. I haven't been on the site for a while, I thought this was one of those sites that e-mailed you when there were replies to posts. However it now gives me some more avenues to research. Going back to John and Margaret, have you tried the Malinslee or the Priorslee registers? Forge Row and Old Park and Dark Lane were home to a lot of Pitchfords .. Its possible the missing Dawley registers are with Malinslee , when they closed Dawley parish church because it was unsafe everything went to Malinslee. ( See my post on another topic).

I have subscribed to Ancestry.co.uk. Its surprising how many people still believe the Astley John is the one who married Margaret.

Marie.